The Dangers of Ivory Wave and Starry Nights Synthetic Bath Salts

Starry Nights  - Erika Lyn Smith
Starry Nights - Erika Lyn Smith
Synthetic bath salts like Ivory Wave, Starry Nights, White Rush and Vanilla Sky are being ingested to obtain a very dangerous legal high similar to cocaine.

White Rush, Starry Nights, Ivory Wave and Vanilla Sky are the names of synthetic bath salts that are being sold in specialty stores including smoke shops and on the internet. The bath salts are marketed in packets of 250 milligrams which is less than the size of a sugar packet from a local restaurant. The cost varies depending on where the bath salts are purchased, but usually sell for around 40 dollars. Although most of the bath salts come printed with a specific warning stating that it is not for human consumption young adults, especially teenagers, are ingesting, snorting, smoking, and injecting bath salts to obtain what is being called a legal high.

MDPV is Ingested to Obtain a Legal High

The reason it is called a legal high is that bath salts are currently not detected on the standard blood and urine drug screens. A drug screen tests for and detects both illicit and licit drugs in the body’s system. The most commonly detected drugs include cocaine, marijuana, methamphetamines (Adderall, Ritalin, and Concerta), opiates (Heroin), and benzodiazepines (Ativan, Valium, and Xanax). However, currently standard blood and urine drug screens are not set up to detect the main ingredient found in many synthetic bath salts. According to the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) website, “preliminary testing indicates that the active ingredients in many brands contain MDPV (3,4-methylenedioxypyrovalerone) and/or mephedrone.”

The Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) website describes methylenedioxypyrovalerone or MDPV as a central nervous system (CSN) stimulant with hallucinogenic properties that has no licit or medically approved uses. Originally MDPV was used as an experimental drug in laboratory testing, but that was in the 1980’s. In December the Department of Justice (DOJ) released a Drug Alert Watch to warn law enforcement agencies to be aware of the new trend of using synthetic bath salts containing MDPV (3,4-methylenedioxypyrovalerone) and/or mephedrone which were being sold in all 50 states and online under a variety of names. See the list at the end of this article for commonly used names the various bath salts are marketed under.

Bath salts are being ingested, snorted, smoked or main lined (liquefied through melting and injected intravenously) resulting in an extremely intense and physically dangerous high which can last from a few hours to several days based on how much and how often the substance is being ingested. The euphoric feeling or high has been described as a hyper alert and very energetic state which presents in a similar manner as a manic episode often seen in someone with a history or diagnosis of Bipolar Affective Disorder (BAD). At this time the short and long term consequences to the body and mind of people using bath salts remains unknown and likely will not be evident for many years. However, people who have used cocaine or meth in the past and now use bath salts have said that bath salts are more intense and more addicting than illicit drugs.

The Mental Health and Physical Symptoms of Using MDPV

Recently hospitals across the nation are seeing an influx of young adults who are being admitted with life threatening symptoms after ingesting the synthetic bath salts. What is being documented by hospitals and poison control centers are a variety of physical symptoms ranging from dangerously elevated blood pressures, to extreme tachycardia (a very rapid heartbeat), shortness of breath, myocardial infarctions (heart attacks), headaches, changes in appetite, blurred vision, numbness in hands and feet, dizziness, diaphoresis (sweating), kidney failure, nose bleeds, swelling of the brain, cerebral vascular accidents (CVA) or strokes, seizures, coma and death.

In addition to the physical side effects of using MDPV there are the mental health adverse reactions leading to an increase in psychiatric admissions for bath salt users. Hospitalization becomes necessary when the intense euphoria or hyper alert state leads to days and nights of total insomnia (sleeplessness), prolonged and intense panic attacks and anxiety, racing thoughts, marked changes in personality or mood, psychosis, extreme paranoid thoughts, including delusions, psychomotor agitation, restlessness, the feeling of jumping out of one’s own skin, auditory and visual hallucinations, mania (intense episodes of increased physical energy) and even suicidality. In addition to these symptoms people ingesting synthetic bath salts have been known to become extremely agitated and physically aggressive without provocation. This places the person, their friends and family and anyone like law enforcement officers and medical personnel who are trying to keep them safe in danger.

Medical Management Pertaining to Synthetic Bath Salt Overdose

The medical treatment for an overdose of bath salts is based on treating the physical symptomology that presents with a patient and unless the patient or someone with the patient is able to tell medical personnel what the person ingested the cause of the patient’s symptoms often present a medical puzzle. Unfortunately, even if medical personnel are aware that the patient has ingested bath salts there is no specific medical treatment that can reverse the effects of bath salts, unlike NARCAN or naloxone hydrochloride which is a drug used to counter the effects of an overdose of opiates such as heroin or morphine. Essentially that means medically managing an overdose of bath salts initially revolves around treating any life threatening symptoms until they clear the body.

The UK documented problems with bath salts over a year ago and several deaths were directly linked to synthetic baths salts which have now been banned from being sold or imported to the UK. Hospitals are seeing an influx of admissions related to the use of synthetic bath salts. In Missouri there has been one documented case of a suicide related to the use of Ivory Wave. Louisiana became the first state to ban synthetic bath salts with MDPV from being sold or shipped to residents in that state last year and Florida has followed their lead. Many places are declaring an emergency ban on the ingredient MDPV to allow new laws to be enacted on local, state, and federal levels on how to deal with MDPV, which is being reclassified as a scheduled narcotic.

Here is a list compiled from a variety of resources of the known brand names of synthetic bath salts which contain MDPV: Blizzard, Blue Silk, Charge+, Ivory Snow, Ivory Wave, Ocean Burst, Pure Ivory, Purple Wave, Snow Leopard, Stardust (Star Dust), starry Nights, Vanilla Sky, White Dove, White Knight, White Lightning, White Rush.

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Jan 24, 2011 12:59 PM
Sally Mellinger :
This is insane!!! I can't believe that people do this!!!
Jan 24, 2011 1:00 PM
Sally Mellinger :
This is insane!!! I can't believe that people do this!!!
Jan 25, 2011 1:41 PM
Guest :
Since these invasive drug tests prevent people from taking more traditional drugs it is no mystery that they would seek substances that evade the tests!
Feb 21, 2011 3:40 AM
Guest :
I think that this drug seriously needa to be banned. I think it is very dangerous and just doesn't it just doesn't make you feel right mentally or physically and just downright feels 110% unhealthyunhealthy when it is used to get high. I know this because I was stupid enough to try it twice and both times did not feel like myself mentally and scared me the way it made me feel physically. The side affects made me notice major contrasts in my body and mental state to where PHYSICALLY I felt rapid heartbeat which felt like my heart was skipping beats constantly for hours, I talked a lot, I over analyzed everything I did or said personally which made me paranoid. I had strange mood changes and had to constantly struggle to keep myself in a mental state that I thought was normal and couldn't tell if I was acting normal. My thoughts raced and I constantly was moving or striking up conversation for hours. It gave random hot flashes. Mainly it makes u feel like your not all there mentally and your personality has changed so drastically you struggle to act like your normal self which in turn gives you major paranoia and a sense of awkwardness that doesn't just last for 30-1hr, it last for the rest of the day until you can fall asleep. If it helps at all to make someone change their mind to try this LEGAL DRUG or maybe quit doing it the drug, or for people trying to find history on the drug because they are high and feel crazy and wanna know why, I suggest whoever is responsible for posting this to post it and spread the detailed affects for obvious reasons. If it helps to get posted I probably doesn't hurt to say that most likely the main reason this post is soooo dang on long is because I used the drug this evening and am still high on it right now. You be the the judge on if it seems that I'm rambling or too detailed or just trying to help people understand how dangerpus,potent and risky this WHITE LIGHTNING Drug is. Afterall I got to this sight by getting nervous and wanting to know what I put in my body and what if any long term or short term side affects there are to this drug. Wow I think I'm finally done with this post and feel satisfied with it. Wish I could've given. The same details in les words. WHOEVER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR POSTING THIS VERY LONG POST PLEASE POST IT. IT IS VERY USEFUL,HONEST, AND DETAILED FOR A REASON. There is hardly any facts on the internet about this dangerous drug.
Feb 22, 2011 9:21 PM
Erika Lyn Smith :
Hi guest-

Thank you for your very frank and honest post regarding how the synthetic bath salts are affecting you both physically and mentally. Please seek medical attention from the closest ER (or call 911) if you are still experiencing any of the physical/mental affects of using the bath salts. The rapid heartbeat, palpitations (feeling as if your heart is skipping beats) and dangerously high blood pressure are all possible side effects from the bath salts, amongst others.

Many communities are banning stores from selling the synthetic bath salts like White Lightening, Ivory Wave or Starry Nights, but sadly the bath salts are available for purchase online. Again, I appreciate your candid post and hope find help.

Have a blessed day-
Feb 23, 2011 12:39 PM
Guest :
Hey, I'm the guest that wrote the long post. Wanted to see if it got posted and was glad to see it did. I was also glad to see that someone read it and responded. Thanx Erika Lyn. BTW I'm fine now and will never do that again. The synthetic cocaine needs to be banned because I didn't do a lot and it was very potent. Someone thinking they have to do a lot to get high will be in for a real surprise and may end up in a hospital. The more info on the web the better. Its dangerous stuff.
Feb 28, 2011 5:42 PM
Guest :
Wow. This is insane. As an ED nurse we are seeing more and more people coming in with psychotic symptoms all from snorting this ivory wave type synthetic bath salts. Thanks for putting this out there so others in the medical community can understand what is going on here.
Mar 12, 2011 2:00 AM
Guest :
it tells alot about the drug and the fact that people do some dumb stuff but i want to know the effects and dangers for a woman that is pregnant or thinking of conveiving during the use of the bath salts,but in very small amounts and i have looked for the answer to that several times and find no answers to my questions.i can tell by research that it has some pretty wild side effects, but im lookin for proof that it can or will harm an unborn child?that is a question that needs to be answered for alot of women out there expecially from what ive read and seen , cause people just sayin its bad isnt enough recognition for addicts that have been doin illegal drugs for along period of time , cause yeah its legal where im from so theres really nothin stoppin a meth head or a meth user from doin it like its a glass of wine every once in a while cause its got some chemicals that give them the same feeling as meth or cocain but ive seen pregant women use this stuff and all i got was the whole its legal ,and show me where it say's it will harm my baby.it just says it is bad for u and give the stuff it will do to u in excesive amounts or an overdose.which is kinda what a long meth user is lookin for minuse the death and hospitalization part so. all im tryin to say is there needs to be more research done for women to show what can or will happen from using those bath salts or anything like it thank you for ur patients
Mar 12, 2011 2:01 PM
Erika Lyn Smith :
Hi Guest-
I believe the label that states "not for human consumption" is enough evidence to make one aware of the dangers of ingesting synthetic bath salts regardless if pregnant or not and that it does NOT warrant further testing of the dangers to a fetus. Sometimes common sense needs to prevail.
Have a blessed day!
Mar 14, 2011 1:11 AM
Guest :
Tried it is stupid. Never will be done again didn't barely make me feel any different but do to lack of info on it I don't recomend it also waist of money
Mar 26, 2011 8:42 PM
Guest :
Although some of the side affects are true. i personally have tried white rush many times and it felt like i was on cocaine for hours on end. and the best thing was that there wasn't really any side affects from or during the come down either. And everyone is different so some people may not be able to handle it, but i say thats due to lack of experience. i have never felt anything like what Guest had felt. but like i said its not for everyone nd its not addictive. The feeling of a rapid heart beat is actually a lot less than if you were to do real cocaine. Honestly the people that have tried it and not liked it were those who have never done any kind of drug n there life and heard bout this legal substitute n was peer pressured into doing it. And its definitely not addictive, the only reason there is an addiction to something is because of the lack of will power in the human mind. Addiction is all in your head. if you say you need something all your doing is saying that you cant live w/o it. but the human body is not supposed to be like that. if you have ne questions about nething submit a comment.
Mar 26, 2011 9:23 PM
Guest :
Dear guest,

i have recently tried the bath salt referred to as white rush. it did make me feel like i was on cocaine only because ive tried just about everything once to prove my point that addiction is all in the mind. I know that it wasn't the safest way to do it but I had done it and proved that the things that people consider to be an addiction actually were not addictive. Because drugs like the bath salts are being sold people just dont know when to quit. So in my 100% god honest opinion, people get addicted to the feelings they get from watever drug they may use but its not the drug itself causing the addiction. And withdrawls are only from those who have done something for so long that there body has become dependant on it to live thus causing more and more people to call drugs addictive. i personally used acid, ecstacy, cocaine, and methamphedimines as an escape from reality which is why most people use these drugs. So we as sober americans should be finding a way to help these people let go of whatever it is that they want to escape from instead of throwing them all in jail. and i realized after i had been sober for about 3 months that i sounded healthier looked healthier and lived healthier. thats why i want this comment to be posted in order for those people to see how easy it is to overcome an "addiction". and honestly if the people that need help dont want it then let them ruin their own lives because it is there life and their body and i believe that all human beings should have the choice to do what they want when they want unless it breaks the law. but even there the law isnt there to tell you how to live its there to guide you in the right path and to be supporters and peace officers not your average cop that goes out and looks for trouble.
Mar 27, 2011 6:07 PM
Guest :
I feel like I'm dying right now iv been stupid enough to use this crap day after day for two weeks. This shit is killing me my tolerance is so high I don't even feel good anymore when I dose... My heart feels like it's going to stop any min but when I'm not on it I experience severe depression. This stuff is more damgrouse than anything I have ever used. I have to stop today or I'm Hana die... This shit has it's jaws sunk deep into me. If I make it through the night I will never use this drug again.
Apr 3, 2011 8:44 PM
Guest :
I completely agree with Frank on thee effects of this drug. Lets face it, it IS a drug! Now as like Frank, I myself am currently on "White Rush" which basically a bit over 0.25G has me still up since Friday morning. I have to include, I will "bump" a very small amount per every hour or 2. Not that thee effects would be finished, but just to keep a certain level. Now as a person that has tried coke, plenty of times", snorted Meth, 1 time, 1 line. And likes to take Adderral when I go out or ever for "extra" fun with girls. I can honestly say I never had thee addiction wants to any of those drugs. Never had a habit or desperate need. I will however admit I do enjoy "up" over "down". Having said that. The first time I tried this bath salt, I more compared it to a meth like high with a very small twist of a LSD high. VERY POTENT. After the first time I swore id never touch it cause just something "evil" about the high (Not saying I had evil thoughts, personally I enjoy the high and actually do a lot more reading and exercise. But thinking about ALL the people running around on this! Really scary) I yet in the first time in my adult life, am experiencing addiction and I don't like that at all. I CRAVE it!!! It needs to be illegal! I'm a very open minded person and can usually understand both sides of a story, but NOTHING GOOD WILL COME FROM THIS PRODUCT!!! I hope that between Franks, and mine.... we can change one person mind at least! P.S. My outlook on drugs is, drugs aren't bad, its the drug abuse that makes them bad, moderation and "right" time and place is key in fun or abuse...but .... this drug is bad.
Apr 6, 2011 12:00 AM
Guest :
I have read all comments and I want to express my experience thru my 33 yr old son this past weekend. It all started on a friday. He called me at 8:40 am wanting a ride for himself and a friend mind you I had a dr's appt at 9:30am and had to get ready for work and be there by 11 am. He did not care he wanted me to take him and a friend to the friends house. I did not know what was going on so I told him to hurry up and I would take them. Then later on in the evening he called telling me he rented a hotel room cause he needed a break from where he was living (my 70 yr old father is on Hospice and my son is trying to be with him till the end, but my 78 yr old mother is denying that dad will die someday soon. It is a hard situation, I live across the street). Well he called me about 10pm and i offered to take him to get a few items at a store. Well when I arrived at the bar connected to the hotel he had every item in his backpack layed out all over the counter in the table area, I was concerned but he told me he had a few shots of alcohol, so I contributed that to his behavior. I ended up going to my bank giving him money so he would not be broke and could have some fun. I suggested he get some better cloths on cause he looked like a rag a muffin and he agreed so I took him home so he could change. It took him an hour and a half to redress and he had to get a separate backpack so he could obsessively get all these phone that were not even in use and all kinds of wires, an xbox and god knows what else. Well in the meantime he told me he was mad at his father and he spent hours walking around in a graveyard yelling at the grave stones. He was drinking and I knew his stress levels were high,also his father and I have been divorced for 30 yrs. So I took him back to the hotel and everything seemed fine he disappeared into the hotel hallways. I went home till I got a phone call at 5:53am next morning and he was frantic, I went over to moms house and he started telling me his room was broke into and he was abducted and thrown into a trunk of a car by 4 men, taken out of town beaten up and left there. I was just glad he was in one piece but he had no bruises on his body but his hands were swollen. I told him to get some rest and I would see him after work. That day (Sat) afternoon my mom called me crying cause he started screaming and took off down the street in nothing but a pair of shorts mind you it was about 40 degrees outside. I got permission to leave work and go find him cause I felt I had to. My home is about 10 min from work. I went to moms house and she told me which way he went so I drove that way and I seen him walking very pissed off. So I followed him in my car back to the house, parked and followed him up his stairs to his room. He told me that there was an old girlfriend sitting in his room and when he woke up he said she was injecting him with some drug into his hands, and he swears he teenage son was sleeping in his bed. I called his father to come and help me handle him. Though about an hour and 45 minutes I figured he was on some kind of drug but I did not know what. I myself was a former cocaine user for years and I kicked it. But whatever he was on I did not know how to handle him. Thru the many stories he told he said he was on Blizzard for 5 days and his was out of control. I had to go back to work so I left him and his father there hoping his father could calm him down. Then about 10pm after work I was on my way to walmart and my mother called me once more crying that he was crazy so I turned around and went to moms house. When I got there and went upstairs to his room it was torn up and he was acting like a crazy man, somehow I talked him into taking him where he wanted to go but I knew he was very tired. He packed all kinds of backpacks and a duffel bag cause now he was going to be a man and live in the wooods, but he need to talk to someone first. I agreed to take him there, he got in the car and within seconds he was asleep only to wake about 15 blocks later, but I told him we would get there and he wanted in the trunk, but instead of getting out of the car he crawled between the seats pulled down the back seats and while halfway on the seats and in the trunk he fell asleep again. By then I was thinking if I drove long enough he would fall asleep like he did when he was a little boy while riding in the car. and sure enough he did but he would keep waking up and I kept telling him we weren't there yet. After 3 hours I had to stop and use a rest room, and he woke up went into the store he drank a red bull and got a pack of cigs, and while I was paying he started to wonder off. Well I got him back in the car and little did I know the red bull revived him so I ended up taking him to where he wanted to go. We sat outside a store and he tried to dial on one of the cells that had no sim card, got out of the car and I got scared the police would come so I suggested to him to go up to a local bar where I thought this guy would be and sure enough the guy was there. We went in he ordered a shot and a yingling asked me for my keys so he could go open the trunk. I stupidly gave them to him. I thought for a moment and then followed him out while he was obsessing with the things in his backpacks, tearing out the wires and phones dropping then in the mud and thowing them back in my trunk. My patience had finally come to an end and I told him to stop doing the crap he was doing. He got mad at me telling me he was a man and he was all grown up, well I told him to get his stuff out of the car cause I was fed up and he was starting to be a man at that moment cause I was tired of the whole thing. I drove away and called his father and told him he should go talk to him and I was done. When I got home I called the crises center and they told me I could get him committed but I would have to call the police. But I had to think about this cause I wanted no trouble and to commit my son would hurt. So the next Sunday am I called the police and they told me I would have to go to the crises center and file a 302. I called my mom and told her and she told me my sone asked her to make him a sandwich he took one bite and threw it and some blood up too. His dad also called me and told me he heard from our son and he was ok but he had called from someones land line. By then I was so upset I called my boss and she told me it was ok to be late just do what I had to do before work. So I got the 302 sign by a judge of sorts and now if he would be seen he would be picked up by the police and they would take him to the hospital and he would be evauated. Appenantly the police went to his fathers house cause he was the last to hear from him and his father was pissed at me. So his father told him he better go to the hospital and voluntarally commit himself. I went to work and for 2 days I heard nothing. Then his father called me Wed and told me he was finally down enough off the Blizzard to be rational and my son is very angry with me and doesn't want to see me. Tomorrow though my son wants to go to rehab and his father is now telling me this is all actually my fault and my son is now blaming me for taking the steps I have to get him help. But in my mind I know my fther is nearing the end of life and I did what I had to do so I would not bury my son too. This Blizzard is so tough on the people who love the person that is addicted to the stuff. As a former drug user I knew and the people knew how to deal with cocaine addicts, but this Blizzard is unkown, the effects are terrible and they last a long time. Right now my heart is breaking cause I feel my son now hates me, but that same heart knows I did what needed to be done to help him.
Apr 6, 2011 12:35 PM
Guest :
I am the person who wrote about my son.. Too bad this site is very hard to find. I wish this site is the first site that when u do a goole search it is the first site to go to. I felt so much better once I expressed my experience wuth my son I wish that anyone whom visits this site reads these comments first. Hopefully those whom already wrote comments on this site will be influenced enough not to try the Blizzard. I am still waiting for my son to realize I had been trying to help him not hurt him, and he proceeds to get help for his addiction. God love him and any other family member who has to go thru the events that happen to their loved one while they are on Blizzard. If the makers of Blizzard knew how evil these bath salts are instead of the almighty dollar they would think twice and make these salts out of reach (money wise) of the potential consumer. But when you look up in a search engine Blizzard the makers are drug companies. Too bad these companies cannot be boycoted, and once our government makes the drug illegal the companies will change the molecular stucture to skirt the law again. It is a freakin Merry-Go-round.
Apr 6, 2011 3:31 PM
Erika Lyn Smith :
Dear Guest-

One day your son will understand what you are doing for him. Until then hopefully soon the synthetic bath salts will be banned. They are being banned in many areas almost daily.

I say an angel prayer for my children when I am worried for them....
I say over and over in my head...

Angels fly above you
Angels fly below you
Angels fly all around you to keep you safe.

I find it helps me worry less...I wish you and your son all the best.

Have a blessed day-
Apr 10, 2011 8:41 AM
Guest :
I spent a week in an extreme paranoid psychosis........ bad shit! Scariest drug I've ever done
Apr 26, 2011 9:06 PM
Guest :
I as a severe user of the above named substance have seen not only the affects of of my abuse on myself but also on the people I care most about. My family and my friends have not only stuck by my side even though pressured to not do so but have also done their best to keep me off this horrible substance............I thank God and those most affected and afflicted by this situation who have stuck by me even though I dont deserve it! Please if you know someone doing this drug stop them by whatever means necessary because the after-affects are not only harmfull to the user's psychological well-being but also the very people the user comes in contact with!!!!!!!! If you value the life or happiness of the user in your life or those arround him or her then get them help or just straight stop them!!!!!! I am living proof that if I didnt have people who even though insurmountable odds were against them they stuck by and told me it was for my good and went through their own pain to regulate mine I would not only be without anyone but most likely DEAD!!!!!!!!!! Thank you to my family and friends who even though I've caused you pain you have felt, delt, and gave of yourselves to save our circle of trust and allowed me to prove that I want to rebuild it!!!! Thank you!!!!

- A Junkie! -
Apr 26, 2011 10:34 PM
Guest :
People, i`m 33 years old, about ten years ago i had a problem with opiate addiction (hereoin), so i learn the hard way.

In this years i allways snort coke sometimes in private partys, never get addicted.

This is the worst day off my life, i lost control and snorted 9 grams of charge+ in twqo days, i can`t tell how i`m doing, i hope i will not die today.

Be aware i apologize my poor english but i even can breath right.

Regards
Apr 27, 2011 5:17 PM
Erika Lyn Smith :
Here is a link to a story from Alton Illinois where a woman has overdosed and died from bath salts.

http://www.ksdk.com/news/crime/article/256566/147/Woman-dies-after-bath-s alts-overdose-in-Alton
Apr 28, 2011 8:45 AM
Guest :
Well mark today date, as a lady in Alton passed away after 5 days on this stuff. I can not believe it is still on any shelves or being sold over the internet.
May 10, 2011 3:38 PM
Guest :
HOW CAN SOMETHING THAT IS SO DANGEROUS STILL BE ON THE COUNTER AT CONVIENTE STORES. BUT IF YOU REALLY LOOK AT IT THE STORES THAT HAVE IT ARE ABOUT 80% TALI BAN PEOPLE RUNNING THE STORES. IF NOT THE TALI-BAN THEN SOME KIND OF OVER-SEAS PEOPLE. BUT HOPEFULLY OUR GOVERNMENT WILL GET AHOLD OF THIS SOON BEFORE IT DOES SOMETHING TO SOMEONE TO TERRILBLY BAD.
May 10, 2011 4:44 PM
Erika Lyn Smith :
Guest-

With all due respect guest...I do not think this is a racial or other issue. This is an issue of pure and plain stupidity. People are consuming an item that is labeled not for human consumption. Many deaths have already been contributed to the use of synthetic bath salts (both in the USA and in England) which is why England already banned them and our government is in the process of banning any items sold with MDPV.

In the end the government cannot prevent people from making bad choices and using something like synthetic baths salts to obtain a legal high is simply a bad choice.

Have a blessed day-
May 15, 2011 11:33 PM
Guest :
I agree, this is not a racial issue. That is very ignorant. After all, alcohol is sold in most stores and it causes multiple side affects and mental anguish (to families/friends also).

I have mixed feelings about bath salt. Although, as a few of you have said, it's not regular bath salt. It is marketed differently, in convienance stores. It is true that there hasn't been research to review the long-term effects. The only thing the media has to go by is the cases that have went to the hospital. The overdoses, as far as I can tell, is generally from people that are snorting the salts all day every day, for several days. Anything that you do that long is going to affect you.

I feel badly for those of you (especially the one guest with the son's problems) who have had bad experiences. I agree with one of the other guests, the adults using have to know their limits. It comes down to human judgement, as any other drug does. If you have an addictive personality, then you shouldn't do it. Also, I can tell you right now...it more than likely will affect a baby somehow. Honestly, that doesn't say much about the pregnant woman doing it. It may not affect the baby in small amounts a few times...but who would take that risk?

If you don't like using harder drugs (such as cocaine or prescription meds), mostly uppers---you won't like bath salt so don't do it. It gives it's kind of funny...I understand that you get paranoid when you haven't been high on anything before but most of the symptoms are somewhat in your head. You may feel them but if you start getting paranoid you overanalyze everything and stress yourself out. Relax...don't use it in a situation where you have to act normal (around parents, in-laws, work, kids...etc). Just get a little and have others there to share so you don't do too much. Then just don't get anymore...you may want more but realize you need to restrain and not do it all the time. It will affect you if you use frequently and you will lose money...go extreme, etc.

Also, I think many of the "crazies on bath salt", either have mental issues (not necessarily psycho but if you have taken psychology you understand how personality disorders work and how they may be repressed but certain "triggers" may concentrate the disorder) or end up running through there money and that plus being high (also sleep deprived and possibly hungry because it does suppress your appetite (if you do bath salt you need to eat, even if you don't feel like it, make yourself eat every few hours...just like any other upper, you will start having mild symptoms if you go a long time without eating) causes them to go to extreme measures. Also, they don't know the effect of drug interactions with bath salts. I wouldn't risk taking any other medications while using it...prescription or over-the-counter. Definietly no other serious drugs...with exception of marijuana (other the counter or prescription lol).

Additionally, it's possible the people supposedly on "bath salts" are using meth or crack but when they are picked up/questioned they say the bath salt because they know it's legal. I understand they have "proof" on some cases, but not all of them. Also, the police/drug cartels/companies(tobacco) don't want it on the market to take consumer's money, so it's hard to say how many stories have been turned or created to help get it off the market. I'm not a complete conspiracy theorist or anything, but people have to realize that things like that happen (i.e. REEFER MADNESS!).


I know it's a long post, but as I read the comments I had so much to say. I tried to break it down for you though, maybe you guys could work on paragraphs in the future? :] It's a lot easier to read!

My final words are...MODERATION, COMMON SENSE, SELF-CONTROL! The same as with food, alcohol, cigarettes, MJ, and any other substance. So be smart and open-minded!
[9 grams guy- you're lucky...that's excessive!]
May 27, 2011 11:28 PM
Guest :
My daughter is also on this terrible crap! She is a recovering heroin addict and was doing very well......was working, changed friends, a supporting family...........everything was going very well for her................then...........she had a failed relationship, which put her in a depression, and then came the bath salts. I'm not sure how long she had used them....the best I can tell is about 3 months. She started with hightened paranoia and manic phases. She thought there were bugs in her room, in her body, in her hair, and followed her to work. They were in her car and all around her at work. She thought people were talking about her and following her to the bathroom, etc. She claimed the bugs were in her clothes, and would change clothes multiple times a day, even walking around the house totaling naked. She claimed she had a lot of "static electricty" coming from her body and the bugs were sticking to her. I talked about bath salts with her, and she vehemently denied using them. I went through the process of elimination and investigation, even though these bugs were not visualized by me. I had pest control do an inspection, which resulted in nothing being identified, was told her symptoms were like those of someone with head lice. I checked her head, had a beautician check her head, her doctor check her head, and no one identified any "bugs", but we were advised to treat her head. She and I both treated, combed for nits and bugs, and never found anything. She never had head lice. She still insisted there were bugs in her hair. She finally accepted there were no bugs, but then claimed she had little sesame seed particles in her hair, on her clothes, and in her car. Of course there were none identified. She would spend hours in front of the mirror inspecting her head, using a light and a magnifying glass. She would not sleep for 3-4 days at a time, until her doctor put her on something for sleep. Her feet would swell (3+ pitting edema) and she would at times develop a rash on her lower legs. Today I found a box of needles and empty packets of blizzard, and other brands of bath salts. When confronted with the evidence, she admitted injecting them. She asked me to put a bullet in her head, and then said she would be dead by the end of the day. I took the necessary steps I felt were necessary to save her life. I notified the police and her PO. She was picked up and then I signed the involuntary papers to have her committed. I'm hoping to get her into a rehab. This substance must be taken off the shelves. We have had many overdoses and a couple of deaths due to this stuff in our small rural community. Please, please, please..........anyone using this STOP!!!!!!! If you know of anyone exhibiting strange behavior such as what I have listed, please intervene!!!! I have placed my daughter into God's hands and pray for her continually. I am hoping that she can be saved. No one knows what the long term effects on the brain or body are. This is very serious stuff!!!!
May 29, 2011 5:36 AM
Guest :
Totally true, I am on my second visit to the ER for my girlfriend who claims this isn't the problem. She has turned the house upside down, trashed everything in it and is hallucinating about bugs and bugs eating all the plastic in the house. I confronted her about it since I find "White Rush" bags all over and she continues to deny it. I have never seen a person go this insane instantly and now has been almost everyday for two weeks. These drugs are extremely dangerous and should not be legal. The ER told me when I said that she was about to have a heart attack there was nothing they could do unless she admitted it and moreover there was no test to find it on a tox. screen. Beware this will ruin yours and your loved ones lives.
Jun 2, 2011 9:34 PM
Guest :
I have now been "high" off this bath salt for 10 hours now, and I feel horrible! My entire body feels numb and I have absolutely no sense of pain, I keep running into things and falling over stuff cause I can't keep my balance and my body feels very heavy. I'm also very fumble fingers when I go to pick something up I pick it up && put it down 5+ times because I don't think I have ahold of it right, even though I do. I have to over think every move I make like my brain can't process things as quickly as they should. My mouth is swallen and my teeth hurt cause I keep biting down really hard and grinding my teeth I'm trying to stop doing it but I can't. My mouth is dry and I've been gulping sown water, I've been going to the bathroom literally every 5 minutes for the past 5 hours. My heart rate was up to 180 and frantically dropped for 58 in a matter of minutes. I seriously feel like my heart is going to burst. I feel hot but my themp is low. I keep thinking if I sit still I'm going to die, I'm constantly trying to crack all my bones and rubbing my legs hoping I'll feel some kind of sensation. I'm honestly afraid to go to sleep in fear I won't wake up. I have a 2 year old daughter that depends on me. What I don't understand is I've done this multipul times and all it did was make me feel very happy and at ease and it kept me awake for a few hours. This is NEVER happen to me before and I'm terrified. I'm the only one awake in my house and every breathe I take I'm afraid it's going to be my last. I swear if I make it through this alive I will NEVER touch this shit again. I've been hearing about how these bath salts are making people completely crazy but I didn't believe it cause it hadn't happend to me. . .well now it has. This stuff is dangerous people and if you do too much of it, you will go insane. Dear Lord, Please Just Let Me Make it Through The Night. . .does anyone know what I should do? Do you think I'll be okay? Please help me. I'm 18 years old, I still have a lifetime ahead of me.
Jun 26, 2011 9:03 AM
Matthew Q. Sekely Sr. :

I am currently coming down off of my first use of white rush bath salt. I purchased a 250mg packet of this ridiculous powder at the local head shop here in cleveland. My wife and i have always been open minded to trying new things, so when her cousin recommended that we try this, Well... we did! It was friday night, 6PM, when we ingested our first "line" of white rush. I have to say, the first initial euphoria was amazing. My wife and i marveled about it's effects and how it was so much better than coke, and cheaper to. The amount that we snorted was SO SMALL!!! WOW!!! I apologize if it seems like i am fragmented and random with my thoughts. I am having a hard time paying attention to what i am doing!!! Anyhow, 8PM came around and we did another one. Again, very small. This one, i believe, is the one that did us in. My vision blurred, my teeth clenched and i started rambling on about nothing. I need you readers to understand that the only powder i ever snorted was cocaine. So, the only way i know how to snort is to do it all night until it is gone, pop a couple advil PM and pass out. Well...That is not the way you do THIS synthetic drug. I'll fast forward a bit. 3AM rolled around very quickly it seemed. thats when i proceeded to do another line much bigger this time. I didn't really feel an increase in euphoria, just my heart rate, so i did another and another until it was gone. Thats when it really hit me that i had ingested more than 3/4 of the bag myself. A little info on the condition of my wife at this point. She only did 2 of these very small lines and it had her extremely high. Thats when the paranoia kicked in. Man, I was scared!!! I started to people!! YES, i was convinced that there were shadowy people walking through my house trying to "get" me. It's very hard to describe the terror i felt. I eventually calmed down and came down just a couple of hours ago. DO THE MATH PEOPLE!!! It is currently sunday morning in cleveland ohio, 11:55Am That is an astounding 42 hours readers!!!! I had to write this before i went to bed today to educate those that think that this is a fun and exciting drug. Drugs are never a good thing to do, but i'm that guy. I do not judge nor will i ever look down on someone that uses, has used or is planning on using. I will however begin a "movement" to raise awareness and see to it that this be classified a schedule 1 narcotic. Thank you for reading my little story and i hope you'll join me in this new found "quest" of mine. God Bless and be safe!

~Matthew Q. Sekely Sr.
Jul 11, 2011 8:23 AM
Guest :
fukkin stoopid ass ppl, the main reason the government & the "establishment" want to illegalize this like any other product that sells & makes the manufacturers & licensee's of these products damn near instant Millionaires is just that, they aren't getting there fingers in the pie...so Illegalize it, that way they can make their MONEY!!! What the HELL ever happened to OUR founding Fathers Idea of Freedom to ingest whatever the hell we WANT!!!
Jul 11, 2011 5:56 PM
Erika Lyn Smith :
Hi Guest-

Thank you for your comment I always appreciate hearing other people's perspectives on life.

In reference to your comment -----<<<<Jul 11, 2011 8:23 AM What the HELL ever happened to OUR founding Fathers Idea of Freedom to ingest whatever the hell we WANT!!! >>>>

I do not believe that the U.S. Constitution or Bill of Rights includes anything specific about ingesting whatever the heck we want...

The reason it needs to be banned is it is ruining lives, plain and simple.

Have a blessed day-


Jul 11, 2011 6:02 PM
Guest :
Tens of millions of people die from this stuff every year.

Oh wait, that's alcohol.

Tens of millions of people die from this stuff every year.

Oh wait, that's tobacco.

Looks like there is a difference between use and abuse.

Imagine that...
Oct 15, 2011 6:12 PM
sarah :
I really think people who are thinking about using the bath salts should think before they do, because it is very severe and dangerous. My boyfriend is going through a nightmare and without even knowing that he is hurting all his loved ones around him, he has taken this drug without even knowing it (which means someone slipped some of the drug into his drink) at a family party. He hasn't been sweet and kind as he used to be. Instead hes been depressed hardly sleeps doesn't have appetite like he used to and is still paranoid and very moody. It breaks my heart the way he is because he's just not himself. It has been exactly a month since this happend only time will tell when this terrible drug will wear off on its own. Atleast i hope so.
Jan 13, 2012 2:04 PM
Guest :
I became addicted to this drug when I used to have the will power to refrain from addiction and even habitual use of ANY drug. My ex boyfriend who liked to call himself the happy chemist of his street introduced me to MDPV alone, which he bought off of a vending website called happychemist. He gave me the drug saying it was similar to XTC so I did it. The first time I did this I felt wonderful, however, the comedown was ridiculous. I had an extreme panic attack where I felt that everything was attacking me in every way possible, including the breeze outside, people who paid no attention to me (mowing their yards outside) etc. This is only the beginning. I ended up moving in with my boyfriend and I did the drug about 12-15 times a day. After binging for two weeks I forgot to bathe and drink water and eat food. I developed thrush and turned into an insomniac. My boyfriend thought it would be cute to overdose me a bit by giving me a huge line of this. I got very paranoid and accused him of dosing me with LSD or another psychedelic. This is when I slipped into drug induced psychosis. The following day he abruptly took the drug away from me. I had both auditory and visual hallucinations ranging from thinking someone was crashing through my window and coming at me (I remember running out of the room and trying to get out of the front door, believing it was locked when it in fact, was unlocked) I saw people with open arms in the dark trying to embrace me who I did not know which terrified me. Going outside I saw dead people in ditches, trees having sex with eachother and dancing, dwarfs and elves in the ditches which were VERY detailed, they had their own little villages throughout the back yard. I witnessed a black mass, saw a 15 foot tall jim morrison fighting buddha and jesus who were made out of clouds sitting on my ex bfs grandparents roof, an hispanic couple in the ditch who appeared to be paralyzed moving their eyes around, juggalos and priests and demons and dark energy and so much more. I was terrified. I forgot who I was, where I was, and after a day or so believed my mindset was natural and that I hadn't consumed any drug. I will never fully recover from that psychosis. It's changed my view of life and drugs entirely, especially research chemicals. I do not suggest their use to anyone except for maybe suicidal people or murderers. They will fuck you up. They WILL. It's not just their potential to do it. If you do it for longer than one day you will probably experience a living hell.
Jan 15, 2012 11:18 PM
Guest :
Addiction is a disease and I wish it was jus n my head... My thing is oxy so I like downers and have for 7 yrs...but like mixing n little white to speed ball. I've been usin this salt for three days wit friends and whoever says it not additing isn't an addit and doesn't know wtf there talkin bout. Cause any mood altering substance is additive. If u can use here and there good for u... Ya jus never know what drug is ur thing and is going to ruin ur life. All I know is smokin salt scared me more for my well being then when I was doing oxy and heroin!! Kinda crazy since I've do twice. Nothin anyone says is goin to stop someone from gettin high cause who doesn't wanna check out....life's hard but if it wasn't we would learn or grow! What I do know is things n life jus go better bein sober and addits need to share there stories so others jus might think twice.
Jan 30, 2012 12:21 AM
Guest :
Having seen first hand the dangers of using such a 'drug' I strngly urge people to avoid taking it at all. over using in 24 hours doesnt cause a greater feeling, it mearly prolongs the effects and thus side effects... In some cases people are unable to sleap for a week after and therefore suffer not only withdrawl effects for longer but the effects of not sleaping. In severe cases a semi permanent to permant stay in a mental institution is the resulting case as of the dangers to the person or the people around them.
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